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  • wizz0bang
    Jul 20, 09:57 AM
    Bring on the multi-core GPUs! :)





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  • ariechel
    Sep 19, 02:51 AM
    I still think it's funny that everyone thinks these Macbook Pros are "long overdue" - when, exactly, did the FIRST Dell laptop with C2D ship? I thought it was supposed to be around tomorrow...but surely it couldn't have been before last Monday or so at the earliest.

    So that's, what? A week behind in the worst case scenario? Oh God...

    However - if they waited till November, then yeah, I'd agree that they were overdue...:)

    Both the Sony AR and FE series are available with Core 2 Duo processors and are showing as "usually ships next business day" on the Sonystyle website (though admittedly "usually" could really mean anything). The FE series has already been shipping with Core 2 Duo processors for at least a week now.





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  • iBorg20181
    Sep 19, 11:17 AM
    Except we are going to pay Apple a lot of money. What are you paying me?

    LOL - well said!

    :cool:

    iBorg





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  • adamfilip
    Aug 27, 08:53 AM
    You're screwing up, intel. We don't want 300 trillion transistors on a 1 nm die. We want longer battery life. Idiots.


    I think you are missing the point
    just cause a processor has 300 quadrillion transistors doesnt mean it will consume a huge amount of power.

    if they released a memron that ran at 200mhz but lasted 24 hrs. would you buy it.. eventho it would be painfully slow?

    its hard to balance Performance demands and power consumption





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  • DStaal
    Sep 13, 10:03 AM
    I'm just wondering if I can drop one of these into an iMac... Are they pin-compatible? Also sort of wondering about a heat issue.
    Nope - Different processor archetecture. Even if the pins were the same, the motherboards are different.

    Both Clovertown and Woodcrest are 'Xeon' chips, which is a particular processor family. Chips in one processor family may be replaceable with others from that family, but generally different families are not replacable with each other. (Unless specifially designed to do so.)

    Also, the iMac is a 32-bit computer, and these are 64-bit chips, reducing any possiblity to zero.





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  • Benjy91
    Mar 26, 12:39 PM
    Windows 7 is available in six editions, and three of those (bolded) are available through normal retail channels.

    - Windows 7 Starter
    - Windows 7 Home Basic
    - Windows 7 Home Premium
    - Windows 7 Professional
    - Windows 7 Enterprise
    - Windows 7 Ultimate

    You also need to decide on the architecture before purchase, unlike OS X.

    If you count those (they are packaged in different boxes after all), this brings the number up to 11. Starter doesn't come in a 64-bit edition.

    Finally, this of course doesn't include the server editions of the Windows 7 kernel.

    The only versions of Windows 7 Ive seen available at retail are Home Premium, Proffessional and Ultimate.

    Starter and Home basic only come bundled with Netbooks.

    And if you're choosing which version of Windows you want for home use, why would Enterprise and Server versions even come into it?

    So if you're looking to pick up Windows 7 for your PC, the only serious choices are Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate, and is it really that confusing to compare a feature list of 3 versions and decide which features you need?





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  • Silentwave
    Jul 15, 03:29 AM
    10. Reasonably priced. Check out current PC boxes!

    You know the more I think about it the more I question Apple's ability to make anything with a Xeon particularly cheap. I've been pricing all sorts of Dell workstations with the 5100 series Xeon-Woodcrest cores... even the single chip versions are not cheap. Granted, they may have inflated prices due to targeting at the large business market, but still they wouldn't be cheap. We'll see, but the more I think about it maybe we will see Conroe at the low end.





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  • janstett
    Sep 13, 01:11 PM
    Sheesh...just when I'm already high up enough on Apple for innovating, they throw even more leaps and bounds in there to put themselves even further ahead. I can't wait 'til my broke @$$ can finally get the money to buy a Mac and chuck all my Windows machines out the door.

    I'm sure we'll see similar efforts from other PC manufacturers eventually, but let's see the software use those extra cores in Windows land. Ain't gonna happen...not on the level of what Apple's doing at least.

    First, this is INTEL innovating, not Apple.

    Second, Apple has been the one lagging behind on multiprocessor support. Pre OSX it was a joke of a hack to support multi CPUs in Mac OS and you had to have apps written to take advantage of it with special libraries.

    On Windows, the scheduler automatically handles task scheduling no matter how many processors you have, 1 or 8. Your app doesn't have to "know" it's on a single or multiple processor system or do anything special to take advantage of multiple processors, other than threading -- which you can do on a single processor system anyway. Most applications are lazy and unimaginative, and do everything in a single thread (worse, the same thread that is processing event messages from the GUI, which is why apps lock up -- when they end up in a bad state they stop processing events from the OS and won't paint, resize, etc.). But when you take advantage of multithreading, there are some sand traps but it's a cool way to code and that's how you take advantage of multiple cores without having to know what kind of system you are on. I would assume OSX, being based on BSD, is similar, but I don't know the architecture to the degree I know Windows.

    In Windows, you can set process "affinity", locking it down to a fixed processor core, through Task Manager. Don't know if you can do that in OSX...





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  • myemosoul
    Jun 17, 11:57 AM
    The store i went to showed me the piece of paper with the directions on how to get the PIN numbers and it specifically said that if the store were to try and push a reserve through before 1pm it would be cancelled.
    I for one certainly hope they honor this rule as my store waited until exactly 1pm to try to put mine through and couldn't get a PIN until an hour and a half later.





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  • bedifferent
    Apr 12, 10:02 AM
    Difinitely not. I won't say where I'd agree and disagree with for the rest of it, but that last sentence isn't right. Thousands implies a rather low number. Not nearly enough revenue for Apple to keep working on FCS. ;)

    Ha ;) I love, too true. Those "thousands" could become a larger number, and not just editors but professionals in general as well as high end consumers who would strongly benefit and pony up for a mid range Pro tower as well as the prosumer grade programs.

    Slightly off topic, I always wondered about Apple's initial venture into the mobile market, especially given Apple's failed attempt in partnering with Motorola for the "ROKR" (anyone recall the 2005 TV ads with Madonna shamelessly promoting her "Confessions on a Dance Floor" for a cool $5 million?).

    Two years later came the iPhone. Makes you wonder why Apple "tested" the mobile market with the ROKR knowing the iPhone wasn't far away.





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  • KnightWRX
    Apr 6, 03:41 PM
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  • rovex
    Mar 22, 02:46 PM
    Dude go back to school. And pay particular attention to learn about diagonal lengths and surface areas of rectangles.

    I wasn't thinking straight, big deal.

    And Thankfully I'm more successful in life than you'll ever be. Thanks.





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  • Joe2000
    Aug 6, 06:08 AM
    What about TV Show downloads in the UK? Pleeeeaaaase!!! :rolleyes:

    Looking foward to these Mac Pros though, my Dad is definatley going to buy one. :D

    Thanks, Joe.





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  • leekohler
    Apr 27, 05:19 PM
    Oh, I thought his administration was the one that dropped the F-bomb on live TV.

    Or that he was the one who fabricated a "healthcare crisis" so that he could ram through legislation that doesn't even kick in for years

    I thought he was the one who is always on the news whining about why nothing ever goes his way.

    He is the inexperienced child. And if he hadn't been born in the US, that would have been great news

    There is nothing fabricated about the healthcare crisis. Our system is beyond broken. I have good insurance and nearly went bankrupt last year because of hereditary medical issues. That should not happen in any civilized country





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  • Jcoz
    Mar 31, 05:22 PM
    There is nothing open about having to run everything you do past an authority for approval.

    Not that I really care, as the term "open" has been grossly misused by Android fans for a long, long time.

    The part I think is really funny, is that all the reasons for doing what google is doing right now, are the clear and distinct flaws that Android fans have been universally denying the existence of for years.

    So all I'm saying is, no real difference between the worst of each camps fans.

    Complete denial of these problems, until they suddenly are getting "fixed", and then its all "hail to the victors" for conquering long standing issues they've been dreaming would get fixed all along. (in their closets apparently, I mean, fragmentation was never an issue, right? :cool:)





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  • bousozoku
    Nov 28, 10:16 PM
    I would assume that Microsoft agreed to pay Universal just because it could cause Apple problems, not because they felt any need to pay.

    Universal tried to sue Sony back in the 1970s over videocassette recorders. They were somewhat successful in scaring people from buying Sony VCRs, even though they weren't really successful in court.

    I can't see as how they'll be pushing Apple too far. It seems every day, Universal and its subsidiaries lose ground to competitors.





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  • Object-X
    Jul 14, 03:37 PM
    What about SLI video card support? They should try and appeal to high end gamers by having a configuration comparable to Alienware or Dell's XPS. If Apple's hardware can now run Windows, Apple should really take a stab at this market. It will be hard to justify $3000 for a computer that doesn't have the latest cutting edge hardware. Dual 512MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GTX would be a nice start. Otherwise, the accusation of overpriced computers will be appropriate. Why would someone running Windows consider this purchase, if they can get better components for less money elsewhere. Is Apple really serious about taking market share away from PC companies? Or are they going to play it safe and target only the market that they already have?





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  • epitaphic
    Aug 18, 06:22 AM
    Apps already capable of saturating 4 cores need more cores to run simultaneously without compromising speed.That is what has already happened. You were unaware of that fact. So yes, it is a whole different ballgame already. :eek:
    http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/mac%20pro_081406100848/12798.png

    I think this speaks for itself.

    When I'm working on one project, that's all my attention to it. When I'd like to encode it, I'd like my however many cores to be at full blast. Sadly, that's not happening at the moment and will remain so until they rewrite h264 encoding.

    Like I said, unless people are doing what you do (sending multiple files to be encoded at the same time all the time) they won't benefit from 4, 8, 100 cores.

    Now if anyone can show benchmarks that show FCP being 40-50% faster on a quad than on a dual when working on a project, I'll shut up :)





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  • gugy
    Aug 25, 09:33 PM
    well, I think Apple support can get much better. Lots of room for improvement.
    The usual phone hold is too long and sometimes it takes over 1 hour if you need to talk to a higher up to try to solve your problem

    I had my G5 Quad on repair for 3 weeks and during this time the Apple Store and Apple Computer would not give me much clarification about the problem. Meanwhile as a professional I was left without my main computer.
    I probably talked with more than 20 people during this process. Very frustrating experience.

    The thing I would like to ask Apple is to have a loaner computer program for professionals. I rather pay an additional $100 on Applecare as long I can get a computer with the same power of the one I have during this repair period. That way professionals are not left without their machines or Apple monitors during the ordeal.:(





    notabadname
    Mar 22, 01:15 PM
    This is just a preview of the future, Android based tablets will clean the iPads clock. Apple made the so-called iPad 2 as a 1.5. Low res camera, not enough RAM, and low res screen. It's going to be a verrrry long 2012 for Apple. Sure it's selling like hot cakes now, but when buyers see tablets that they don't have to stand inline for, that have better equipment and are cheaper ... Apples house of cards will come crashing down around them.

    The only strength that Apple has is the app ecosystem; which is why they are going after Amazon for spiting on the sidewalk. They know the world of hurt coming their way.

    You are the funniest poster on here. Thanks for the entertainment. (Not sure if it's your intent, but thanks anyway.)





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    Nov 24, 11:23 AM
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    liven2
    Apr 6, 01:58 PM
    No matter what Apple does lately or how much they sell or how good the forecasts are for sales Apple Stock continues it quick downward slide. What the HELL!! I just do not understand it ... Specially while Google stock continues to climb at an incredible pace week, after week, after week.. :confused::confused::mad:





    treblah
    Aug 26, 09:14 PM
    when will the Apple retail stores reflect the changes to the product line?

    -mike

    If they are being refreshed, the stores probably already have recieved them in a black lock box that says do not open until Tuesday morning.





    AidenShaw
    Aug 22, 09:08 AM
    Gonna get a ton of switchers - even if they only ever run Windows XP on it.
    One big problem with running XP, though, is that you need the Boot Camp drivers from Apple.

    If the MacIntel Pro were able to use any available device (any graphics, any PCIe card which has a Woodie driver, ...), then buying one to run Vista or Windows 2003 would make more sense.

    As long as you're tied to proprietary drivers, though, it isn't nearly as attractive. There shouldn't be any Apple software needed to run Linux, Solaris or Windows, outside of a bog-standard BIOS implementation.

    Hopefully, however, the Apple pricing will push down the prices on other Xeon workstations. It doesn't make a lot of sense for a comparable Dell to be $600 more than an Apple.



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